Hi Chris, thanks for the reply. For RI9403, please check KIT-GGX-EU. It was impossible to see without getting down into the wire harness. So this suggests that the machine is getting much hotter and I reduced the the set point to 95deg from your recommendation of 103degC. The preinfusion thing is a bit ridiculous, it just turns your pump on, off and on again. Shall I change the P,I and D parameters manually and what is your suggestion to start with? I just installed the pid on my Gaggia classic Pro following your instruction guide. https://photos.app.goo.gl/8yPwJcEPDi1c5tfY7 The ability to make good espresso is one of the most coveted skills in the coffee world. Started by Rocky47. This is sold on amazon Shop. Ill be using a xmt7100 (modified) for two SRRs and also tweaked for 12v out for led mod any help would be appreciated. Despite the K02 indicating K-type, it was advertised as supporting multiple types including PT100. I tested the current with multimeter and it is showing DC 100V when I turn on the on-off switch. Its pretty straightforward. The way I wired the PID leaves it powered on as long as the main power switch is on. Thanks, David. It is still showing the M4 screw as the Crossed out/wrong one, and can be a bit confusing. I am glad you got your setup working Murat. That is indeed not normal. I am not surprised, Mr Shades runs an honest business, and those parts are being offered at low prices. Cross referencing with the with the manual confirmed that the stickers had been reversed. The PID will show the temperature, and be somewhat confused by its inability to reach its setpoint, however the PID is bypassed in the same way when the GCP is in steam mode. Is P=620 maybe an overkill, as I havent seen such a big value at other places? Auber Instruments. $285.00. Hi, I just completed the DIY kit last night using your guide and it all went perfectly! PID KIT for Gaggia Classic Pro 2018+ & Classic & Home, Pre-infusion. I print with PLA filament, which has a much lower melting temperature than the plastic that Lego uses. You are right, its an M4 thread, not M3. Thanks for putting it together, this has helped me a lot in figuring out most of my doubts with a PID project for a Gaggia. The best simple info I found was a table that summarized what INCREASING each of the PID parameters would do: which I used to adjust my settings. Allow easy adjustment on the coffee water temperature. The A vs E should not make a difference as I am not using alarm function, and am using it with a 3-wire PT100. Contact. Shop for it now! I would be glad if you have any recommendations. The same can be done with the REX C100 but you need one with all 8 screw terminals (the second SSR for steam uses the alarm function which needs terminals #6 and #7) and these two are missing on some REXs. (Available for download after purchasing the kit. For the European version of Gaggia Classic 2015 (RI9403, 240V) please checkKIT-GGX-EU. (The Gaggia machine is not included in this listing). The Auber pretends to add a couple of things, but functionally, they're very much the same. sv4mzu 20, 2022 8:05 am. I love the Lego enclosure idea. Can the PID be put inside the machine or does size constraints and/or heat negate that option? So I would say yes, you should use a heat sink, but the Gaggia body conveniently provides you with that function. You should see no or very low voltage between neutral and ground, and you should see household voltage between the hot/load and ground. I am flattered, but will have to pass. Do not over-tighten the adapter, it only needs to be finger-tight. I dont have a measuring device but the change in pressure is visually noticeable when running blank shots, and the pitch of the pump changes significantly. Good idea Chris. Some shops are quoting $80.00 for the PID enclosure + lid. So I say go for it, but as Chris said, if you really dont feel comfortable with it, pass on the PID or try to find someone who can install it for you. Mr Shades is selling many small items (piggyback, spade, thermal paste, power cable, rubber grommet etc.) One end of the wire should be a male disconnect connector, and the other end should be a spade connector. So you could measure water temp at the group head at 180 deg F with the PID set to 204 deg F. There is some interesting information here: https://coffeeforums.co.uk/topic/53319-what-temp-offset-are-you-using-with-your-pid/. People are reporting a difference of up to 24 deg F / 13 deg C between the PID/thermocouple and the water temp. This process involves working with potentially lethal mains-level voltages. Cheers. Some people have done this by replacing the water filler funnel and 3D printing a replacement cover. As for you steam mode question, if you followed this guide for installing your PID, the PID will have no effect on the the steam temperatures or functions. report. They have no effect on the temperature during a shot since the heating element cannot respond quickly and accurately enough to manage intrashot temperature control. Does this happen even if you let the machine sit in steam mode and dont open the steam valve?. Double sided tape will work. The thermocouple connects to terminals 6 and 7. Maybe this will help? Hi Chris, If you want to defeat that auto-power-off feature, please add this piece of wire to your order. You can mod the XMT7100 yourself but it requires soldering on the PCB, basically removing the onboard relay and then jumpering the empty terminals. The best part is I am only in about $40 on my kit compared to around $150 for the pre made kits. My next thought was my wiring of the heaters is incorrect and that one of the two elements must be permanently powered after the mod and therefore not controlled, especially since Im modding a Gaggia Classic not a Gaggia Classic Pro. https://www.vertex-qis.co.uk/Manuals/PT100_con.pdf. If you go for a PID, you need to use a thermocouple. Close. Most assembly guides recommend using some thermal paste between the SSR and the Classic to ensure that any heat from the SSR is dumped to the chassis. If you used piggyback connectors, it should be a quick job to move the right one over to the correct switch terminal. Hi Tom. Because the PID runs on mains voltages, an enclosure is required. I am beginning to suspect that Gaggia created as many combinations of wiring configurations and colors as they made machines. Then use the left/right buttons to select the digits to increase and decrease, and the up/down buttons to change the digits. gaggia classic pro pid installation guideAUBER PID for gaggia classic proThis is a walkthrough / guide on ins. When the steam switch is on, the PID stays on but because the boiler temperature in steam mode is much higher than the brew temperature of the PID, the PID provides no power to the SSR and heating element. Hi Jeff. Terrific write-up thank you for posting it! Ive been having trouble steaming milk lately, and wonder if there might be something wrong with the thermostat in my machine, wiring problems extending to this as well, or the steam valve might finally be needing a replacement. Chris, do you recall what size flat head screw was used on the 3d printed box for the REX-100? Thanks in advance. All of this really means that you should balance whatever temperature you end up reading against what youre tasting, because thats what matters in the end. The biggest problem was the fact that the brew water control did not work: the SSR was never switched on by the thermocouple output. i set an upper an lower limit on alarms. Useful link. New - Gaggia Classic Pro/2019 PID kit - 1/32DIN single display. What is the intra-shot temperature fluctuation that you are seeing on your machine with your PID setup? Using pliers to pull the connectors can pinch them on even more tightly, making them extremely difficult to remove. In a properly wired North American outlet, the neutral wire is white, and the hot/load wire is black (ground is green). I have an old Gaggia Carezza (uses the Gaggia / SaecoEF0030/A Boiler). In mine, correct terminal was crosswise of yours. Does the wiring youve supplied automatically shut the PID unit off when you engage the steam switch? Perhaps you are refering to the video by Damian Witonski. Looks like thats not an option. 1. Our provided installation manual is based on the Gaggia Classic 2016 (model# RI9403/11). When the pump runs, it vibrates the chassis and it will be a matter of time before it cuts through the wiring insulation. Your wiring looks right. Im thinking Id like to start with just a temperature indicator, to assist with the surfing. BREWING UNIT RE-SETTING AND CLEANING. If you have the regular version (RI9380 120V, or 240V), you DO NOT need this wire. Ive attached an album with my wiring below; Ive literally had an engineer look at it and The Gaggia is 100% at its original state except for the power taps on the neutral at the plug, the live on the brew switch, and the thermocouple to SSR wiring: https://imgur.com/a/rc4xtfz. Auber Instruments PID Kit for Gaggia Classic. Hello Chris, After all this, I found that with the PID setpoint set at 94C, the brew temperature would rise to 94.5 and fall to 92.5 minimum. Thanks! In your paragraph for connecting the thermocouple, you write thermocouple connects to terminals 6 and 7. I am going into speculation mode here I wonder if your Gaggia came with the steam and brew thermostat positions reversed? Thanks for your time. Which Auber PID for Gaggia Classic? As the optimal brewing temperature is 90C to 96C depending on taste, this variance means the coffee can be over or under-extracted, or worse - variable. There is definitely something weird going on. (For orders placed recently in 2022) If you placed the order as a guest, you cantry the, (For orders placed a while ago) Please log in and download the manual from your order history page. The LED on the SSR is functioning but no current can be seen. Trim, terminate and connect the wires you routed out the back of the Classic to the PID. Hello Chris, PID Retrofit KIT for Gaggia Classic Pro & Classic & Home PID Temperature Control Retrofit KIT for Rancilio Silvia Espresso Machine [KIT-GG] - $149.50 : Auber Instruments, Inc., Temperature control solutions for home and industry Home :: Coffee Machine Kits :: PID Retrofit KIT for Gaggia Classic Pro & Classic & Home Coffee Machine Kits Product 4/21 QB-T7200 48*24mm Programmable Digital PID Temperature Controller with Built-in 5A Solid State Relay XMT7100 AC/DC85~260V. The C-100 can accommodate only one sensor/SSR, so you would only set it for brew temperature. Same with the adapter screw. So there is more or less no concern about PID heat and the PID enclosure. Thank you again for taking the time to write up such a great guide. You said here that the to get an M3 thread for the boiler. I hope you enjoy your upgraded GC as much as I do mine! Either way, you are looking at a lot more complexity and cost. Close the PID enclosure, and attach it to the side of the Classic. I havent lowered brew pressure to 9 Bars yet so perhaps changing that would level out my pump pressures? Thermocouple included: M6*1 thread , K type , 2m cable Hi Nitzan. on orders over $49. and its definately better than Auber which is NOT preinfustion by kicking off solenoid. The machine and PID were working great, my brother gave me a quick rundown of the PID basics (how it displays the boiler temp, how it pre-infuses, and then times a 30 second shot pull). I have a question on the pid, it is normal for the brew light to blink (off and) while it stabilizes to the target temperature. Set the cover and screws aside. Specifications : Nevertheless, I will take a look and see what values my controller is set to. Monitor and display the boiler temperature precisely. Regulate the standby coffee water temperatureto within 1 (F or C) accuracy. My P value is quite a lot different than yours. Did you have to alter your thermocouple at all to get it to fit into the adapter, like removing the cap on the end or something? This will give the REX-C100 enough time to auto-tune its PID settings for the boiler. Warning! If youre following a recipe that calls for a specific water temperature, then it would be easier to do this with an offset at the PID. Shades. Gaggia Classic Seamless PID Upgrade. It will improve the consistency of the brewing even if you didn't tamp the coffee perfectly. () . Unfortunately, I didnt measure any temperatures for the un-modified machine. Supposed to be faster in detecting temperature changes and more accurate with the measurement. An extended de-bugging solved the problem: the PID 12v circuit output was reversed, so changing + to solved the problem. If the wiring was done correctly, the PID should power up when the Classic is turned on. The taste of a real Italian espresso everyday! This would explain the constant switching on and off. KIT-GG Installation Guide Version 1.3 Auber Instruments, 730 Culworth Manor, Alpharetta, GA 30022 e-mail: info@auberins.com Tel: 770-569-8420 www.auberins.com . It really pays off to assume nothing, and test everything. I will monitor it over the next few days, but if the coffee takes good, and the only thing I notice is the warmer cup tray, Ill be fine with that, better in fact! You would need to put the boiler heater element between the controller terminals 2 and 3. But will there be an upper limit to prevent the boiler from going near 365F and blowing thermal. Thanks again for the write up, Ill be playing around with temperature for the next week! Is there a way to calibrate the read out close to the water out temperature. Is there a way to tap into +/- 12Volts inside the GCP? Black case : Currently out of stock! I used P:2,4 I:40 D:10 and Souf:0.2 which gives a shot stability around 2 degrees for single, 4 degrees for double shots. $375.00. Spent some time playing with temps and pulling a lot of shots to dial it in and am very happy with the results. Submit. . https://photos.app.goo.gl/Xp37S3o3y6bqqrEk8 You can verify the SSR by disconnecting its AC terminals and checking that it is indeed turning on and off. But that also seems fiddly. The cup warmer does seem a bit hotter than before (but have only used twice since installing, so Ill have to pay attention). I also checked to ensure that the physical steam switch is functioning correctly and the circuit is broken when it is off. The listing shows both M3 and M4 options, and I typed the first one when I wrote the article. Hi Chris, I completed the whole project both for brewing for PID and steaming via alarm. Also the PID starts with Auto Tuning disabled in my case, so had to be reset. Unblocking Solenoid Valve-Classic and Baby. Does this pid control both the group head water and steam wand? Realized with your last comment you dont have the offset in place, my bad. Hi Eddie. Shades. No extra button is needed to press for frothing. Ive set the Sn value to pt for the PT100. Double check that this is the neutral! Hi Jun, and thanks for the update. The thermocouple that I ordered fit into the threaded adapter without any modifications. It doesnt matter which thermostat wire is connected to which of the AC terminals on the solid state relay. If you need to replace the PID controller, please contact us. The on/off temperature can be adjusted by the user. These are located around the shower screen. To be clear, a PID can increases the likelihood of a consistent starting temperature. Silver case Black case TopBox with logo TopBox with gauge hole. When the steam switch is turned on, the on/off temperature of the heater is controlled to 1 degree (F or C) difference as compared with the original thermostat's >10C (or 20F) difference. I decided to go the do-it-yourself route, ordering the parts separately, at a fraction of the cost of the kits. For questions, please contact us. With a PID controller added to the heater control circuit, brew water temperature can be controlled to within 1 accuracy. it works better than poor mans preinfusion described by wholelatte love & Lance in the youtube. Users can see the boiler temperature on the PID controller directly and also easily adjust the brew water temperature to suit their own tastes. You should be able to find the switched mains with the help of a multimeter. Visit store Contact. New - Gaggia Classic Pro/2019 PID kit - 1/32DIN single display $135.30 SHIPPING: We load new stock of PIDs on a Sunday, and they sell out very quickly (often within a few hours). Leave as much of the thermal grease in place as possible. Run-program does a 1s pre-infuse followed by about 1s pause, then 30s pump on. 3: For owners of the Gaggia Classic ProRI9380 240Vversion, please check the installation guide "KIT-GG_Classic Pro US 120V_Installation". Ive seen the steaming power on the classic remains solid from 125C and up, anything below that results in mediocre steaming power, which makes me wonder if I just have an aftermarket part that shouldnt be on this machine, or is just signs of imminent failure. I am only using the Rex temporarily while working on a project with a Raspberry Pi (and the cost of the Rex was only a couple dollars when ordering the SSR), otherwise I would reprint the entire enclosure with the hooks built in. Ive been hearing the solenoid valve click several times while on steam mode as well, and the group head releasing steam on occasions, which also make me worry in terms of the wiring, or the parts just need replacement. Do you think that REX-C100FK02-V*EN (designed for K-type thermocouple) is compatible with RTD (PT100) and is not going to create long-term problems with the machine/setup? Do you think this makes difference? Brilliant article. Ive tried connecting these in various combinations but the PV readout is 3 or 4. ), Basicknowledge of electronics wiring and safety. Stock situation: Silver case : Last one or two!!! Mounting Dimension: DIN: 1/16 (48mmX48mmX80mm) The PID, RTD sensor and SSR (20 Amps) are installed on Gaggia Classic Pro 2018+. Fast, Free Shipping. Always double-check your specific models wiring terminal layout and numbering scheme. The PID will be more or less bypassed when the steam switch is on, it will just stop trying to heat because the boiler will be over the PIDs target temperature. 100% Upvoted. I am now waiting for my PID unit and thermocouple with M4 head to arrive this week. This gives the machine a whole new level of consistency, and gives you fine control over brew temperature. did the REX-100 require most of the default setting to be changed or is it similar to changing like shades PID or Auber PID. Is this a typo on your part or a mistake on their part? Universal Input: Thermo Resistor: PT100, Cu50 . It is suitable for Gaggia Classic or other machines with a silver finish. If you have a 12v pid could you do everything as you have done except the mains wiring and instead wire the pid directly to an old phone wall charger for power? Each segmentcan be set by the user with 0.1 seconds resolution. This is because the switch is connecting the terminals vertically when it is turned on. The image I used is wrong and confusing, and I have now updated it. A Gaggia Classic Pro installed with KIT-GGP. This approach would make your machine a bit weird to someone who wasnt aware of what you did, as the brew function would be completely unusable without adjusting the temperature. best part it is inexpensive and as easy as OPV mod, here are the links: Hi Gene. Do you have any idea how to do? The steam temperature controlallows the boiler temperature to be held at a tighter range during frothing. If you have questions regarding ourcoffee kits, please check ourHelp Centerfirst. Feel free to hang out, learn a bit, meditate, ride a bike, or perhaps it's just time to move on. Measured everything with multimeter, then realized that C100 doesnt get main while machine is on based on the lights. Heres a picture of the screws I used, with screwdriver for scale: Great article and development, congrats! The YouTube video from wll about replacing the boiler made the whole thing very easy. Auber Forum PID Kits for Coffee Machines PID Kits for Gaggia . It would be great to see how the machine is behaving without the PID, to get a baseline. The C-100 will fit in vertically, with the screen facing up. The same complexity applies to pressure control. You would probably blow the fuse in this controller/SSR within seconds. As for your PID always remaining on, it looks like you wired it to the unswitched mains, instead of the switched power. The Auber kit looks easy since I dont have time to build my own. Spent a relaxing boxing day fiddling around with this mod. Brass is soft and easy to drill, and all the adapter needs to do is provide a connection between the thermocouple and the boiler, so there would be no hard in doing this. . Hi Chris, I am gathering / ordering the parts specified and was surprised to find out the price for 3d printing price spiked. Hello Chris, Consult the instructions that came with your PID to make sure. I found that moving the boiler up and to the side allowed me to get to the thermostat from the bottom really easily vs. the top. There is definitely a falloff from the temperature reported by the thermocouple at the boiler and what you will measure at the group head. Hey Chris, That controller is an interesting find. 19K Items sold. Then the PID will only switch on when the boiler temperature drops below the target temperature. 4.8. Maybe then try QB-T7100 afterwards and if it works I will buy the external case which is sold seperately (QB looks nicer with small size and external case). Was hoping to actually just install one of these: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/264849127538 A cheap multimeter is all you need. I also think that you may have less difficulty reaching the thermostat, the 2019+ models have a lot less room to spare inside. The installation is completely reversible if you ever want to sell the machine or send it to service. In a nutshell, the Gaggia Classic thermostat is replaced by the combination of the the thermocouple, the PID, and the solid state relay. The grommet is used where the wires go through the chassis. Sure enough, it powered up. For me I start steaming when the boiler temperature reads 130 degrees C. So for others who are contemplating going for the extra effort of installing the steam PID, know that the return on investment of doing this is questionable, if not net negative. have you had any issues with the k type or have heard of this? I placed the SSR toward the left side of the back panel if facing the front of the machine. PID Kit for older plastic body Gaggia Classic. Thanks for the great guide. Did you have any problems or stumbled upon anything unexpected? I dont bother with offset, once I have a temperature dialed in, it doesnt matter whether its measured at the boiler or offset for the group head. I am glad you solved the problem, Murat. 3-Connect the other cable to the terminal on the on off switch, which is on top of or below the Live cable. The lack of consistency pre-PID is frustrating, because you can get everything else right and still be at the mercy of the temperature determined by the thermostat cycle. How to install a PID on a Gaggia Classic Pro - DIY, cheap and good looking! Thanks. This resulted in the PID not powering up even though the machine did. Also noticed if you use the steam for the milk it takes a lot of time to go back down (10min) to the set temp(i do run water through the boiler to bring the temp down, but it floats at a higher temp for a bit), does the steam affect the PID calculation or dont I need to worry about it? i heard from some that the PT100 with the M4 is more accurate. The countdown extraction timer contains three segments: pre-infusion pulse (Tp), soak (Td), and brew (Tb). I purchased an AC to AC SSR (SSR 40AA) which will stabilise steaming temperatures in much smaller margins than the original steam thermostat. Hi Rusty. Hi Paul. https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4243840. Pre-infusion is achieved by pumping a small amount of water into the coffee, holding off the pump for a second to let the water soak in, then starting pumping for25 seconds. Hi Joe. Please let us know if theres a way to show our gratitude if theres a charity or cause we can donate to for you putting this guide together. I think one of either is the one which Shades of Coffee is using. These set the parameters and algorithms that monitor and control. This is an extra piece of wire for the European model of Gaggia Classic Pro (RI9480, 230V) with an energy-saving module, which turns off the machine after about 20 min if not used). Hi Chris, however the one SSR is nice and the modification gives upgraded steam with the solder mod. Espresso Machines; Parts & Accessories; Do you know of any shops that can do this install or maybe you would be interested in working on my machine? . The kit installation is fully reversible. Power supply : 90-265V AC/DC The 103 is not a true 103, that is what is getting measured in the boiler wall, and there is also a temperature drop off between the boiler and the portafilter, so your final espresso temperature will be lower. Have you gone through the (three) menus on the pid , using the instructions of your pid. The PID unit did not turn on using the same terminal of your machine. With a SV of 103C (not offset), during initial overshoot the heater would sometimes be one when it was at 104-105C with the temperature rising as high as 108. I stumbled onto this before I actually had my Gaggia in hand and went about ordering all the parts. August 05, 2019, 11:46:38 PM . Remove the cover assembly and filler funnel by unscrewing the two small screws at the rear of the top. This prompted me to look for alternate solutions. If anyone is 3d printing the enclosure and doesnt want to tape or otherwise attach it to the Gaggia, I have made these small hooks that can be glued on to the enclosure: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4938828. Main Feature. Whole Latte Love has a new video about preinfusion on the classic. Im all for freedom of expression and creativity, but not when it might electrocute someone. But it will require some dismantling of the work you have done. I bought the PiD from Amazon referenced in a comment above and its working fine. Hi Chris, Run two 12 volt wires from the + and terminals of the solid state relay and out the back of the Classic, again using the same slot. Hi Brian. Your Gaggia would be in steam mode by default, you would never have to switch on steam mode. (PID Temperature Controller Meter Indicator, Jaybva Digital Universal Thermostat C and Fahrenhe F Display SSR and Alarm Output 40A Solid State Relay and Thermocouple Probe Heat Sink Included)? I would not make it without you. If you are in the U.S. then mains voltage is 120V, which will not kill you (unless you have a pacemaker or are standing in a bathtub) but can give you a decent shock. For the Gaggia Classic, taking into account the temperature drop between the boiler and the group head (5-8 degrees C), the PID target temperature should be set to about 103 degrees C or 220 degrees F at sea level. P 53.1 I am not surprised that the steam kit made little difference. Hi David. Just use a multimeter to find the switched mains, and you should be able to follow the thermostat wires. Gaggia Accademia. Hey Chris, Monday - Friday: 10am - 4:30pm. If you want to defeat this feature, please add this optionto your order. The PID I ordered came as a package with a solid state relay and a thermocouple, but that thermocouple had too big a diameter to with the Gaggia. Did you try with the SSR unit 40 DA or 40AA? I am guessing that its caused by the current draw of the boiler heater. Hi Chris, i noticed you used the K type thermocouple with the M4. That would be easy enough to verify with a multimeter, to see which thermostat is active in steam mode and which one is active in brew mode. im trying to find out from shades why shades uses 2. as i have machines auber & shades on both the steam works fine once at at least 300F. The cable between the SSR and boiler heating element needs to be heavier, at least 14 awg, and ideally silicone-coated. I start to run the steam at about 130 in the heating cycle on my setup. We have an earth leakage wiring system in our house, but in many countries, these are not standard. 5. When I turn off, it goes back to zero. Auber Instruments PID Kit for Gaggia Classic. Do the same with the other connector wire. Tap the switched hot/load mains power: disconnect the lower left-hand (if facing the front of the machine) wire from the power switch. If not, can you think of any potential mistakes I made along the way? (I am not testifying to the quality of the shots! Let me know your thoughts !!! The SSR is only rated for 5 amps. Although this is optional, it is difficult to access the power switch to tap power for the PID, and it is almost impossible to reach the thermostat without moving the boiler, and the boiler cant be moved unless the steam wand is removed. You want to connect the PIDs mains power terminal to the side of the Gaggia power switch that cuts out power when the machine is off. Thanks. Pull off the steam knob and disconnect the steam wand. Did you make any changes to the setting of the PID? Neutral is the return path for the hot or load wire. Heres how to install a PID on the Gaggia Classic Pro. EN. Thank you for making it. Looking forward getting your thoughts and ideas I was able to create one using Lego bricks sitting around in the basement. Nevertheless, it will take some time to get it and make a change of the temperature sensor. GAGGIA CLASSIC - MODDED. To do this, loosen the nut connecting the steam wand to the steam control assembly. Also, the PID generates almost no heat, because the work is done by the SSR, and this is heat-sinked to the Gaggia. Be able to find the switched power working Murat havent seen such a great guide surfing. 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